• Commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core
    BTW: miyagawa reminded me that of course you can still install of course, I wanted to just clearly point out that Plack is not a big evil monster, its as simple as, and noone needs to be scared....
  • Commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core
    Oh and another small correction: The HTML generation of is of course missing, but if you need some replacement for this, I will personally make one for you :)....
  • Commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core
    Oh just realizing it was not removed in 5.18 ;) but its planned to be removed in 5.22 (just to correct myself)...
  • Commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core
    Most sysadmin switched long time ago away from Apache, because nginx, lighttpd, thttpd and other webserver are just 10times easier to handle, manage and understand. Configuring Apache is a pain against those others. I am totally happy to lost all...
  • Commented on Using Stratopan To Build ... Stratopan
    I never said he "phrased" it differently, I thing he DID it differently, exactly like he said. So i'm not impressed that a Perl Expert is saying "he needs several hours" to fix a problem that is based on module...
  • Commented on Using Stratopan To Build ... Stratopan
    I also would more expect like "hey, I know exactly what is the problem, but for the sake of showing that the concept works, I did tried todo it with StratoPAN so that I prove that it works"..... but whatever...
  • Commented on Crowd funding Pinto
    So, could you please correct the crowdtilt and make it clear that its for stratopan? Or correct your blog post what is the crowdtilt about, I just get confused, and everyone else, too... Schwern really believes that those 4096$ go...
  • Commented on Crowd funding Pinto
    Also would love to point out which in combination with latest cpanm and carton, even can get the specific versions without that you ever stored them specific away....
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  • Aristotle commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core

    Uhm, CGI and are not the same. Your whole argument is about CGI alone, and has nothing to do with whether you use for the job or not.

    You can write CGI scripts with no modules at all. is just a better way to write CGI scripts than nothing-at-all is. And Plack is an even better way yet.

    Both and Plack take care of things you’d have to do yourself if you used nothing-at-all, but Plack (with Plack::Request and some kind of templating or HTML generation module, if you don’t go for an actual web framework) is much better factored than and makes…

  • Mike commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core

    Thanks so much to you and Leon. I didn't know plack would not work with my version. I tried to upgrade all the way to 5.16.1 about 6 months ago, but it didn't work. These are notes from last Dec:

    I just tried to upgrade from 5.8.0 to 5.16.1 (64bit) on one of my machines. Ran this:
    and it installed fine, but I can't find it.

    I normally keep Perl in C:/Perl, but when I
    go there it's still 5.8.0. I did a search for 'active' and '16.1' and 'Perl' and 'bin', but can't find it anywhere.

    The answer is that …

  • confuseAcat commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core Most sysadmins have switched away from Apache a long time ago? You mean not counting the 50%+ that are still using it?

  • brian d foy commented on Using Stratopan To Build ... Stratopan

    Jeff was funded through a Crowdtilt campaign and a TPF grant to implement particular features in Pinto. That has nothing to do with anything Jeff is talking about here.

    In fact, the particular problem the Crowdtilt campaign funded is the solution to this problem: If you can specify version ranges of acceptable modules, you can limit your exposure to the moving target of CPAN code.

    That way, you don't have to interrupt your work to ensure that the stuff you have now works on everything that was released to CPAN in the last day. If we did that every time we made a commit, noth…

  • Jeff Norden commented on Response to Ejecting From the Perl Core

    Well, I'm pretty late to this party, but I completely agree with Chris that ejecting is a bad idea. Like a host of the other core modules, it could certainly use a thorough housecleaning. But simply saying that something like Plack or Plack::Handler::CGI is "better" doesn't cut it unless they really provide equivalent functionality, which they don't seem to, at least to me. I certainly don't think that code is better simply because it is old, but it also isn't superior just because someone labels it as "modern."

    There are plenty of valid criticisms of of, but …

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