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  • Posted This week in PSC (177) | 2025-01-23 to Perl Steering Council

    Back to the full roster.

    • We talked again about Perl 42. We think it may already be too late for it in this cycle, so we want to make a thorough case for it by releasing a side tarball for the end of this cycle, and if no technical blocker is found, actually do the jump to 44 in the n…
  • Posted This week in PSC (176) | 2025-01-16 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Graham and Philippe this time.

    • We talked a bit about PPC 0025 (Perl version), but didn’t say anything new
    • Regarding PPC 0030 (new operators) vs PPC 0031 (flags on operators), we continue to think that flags on operators bring more confusion than value (PSC #168). …
  • Posted This week in PSC (175) | 2025-01-09 to Perl Steering Council

    Three of us again. Aristotle had limited time, Philippe and Graham stayed longer.

    • Steve Hay released the RCs for for 5.38.3 and 5.40.1. Thank you!
    • Philippe rebased his Perl 42 branch on top of blead after the release of v5.41.7. Things are on track to build a 41.8 testing ta…
  • Posted This week in PSC (174) | 2025-01-02 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Aristotle and Graham for our first meeting of the new year. Not much progress since the last one due to Christmas, New Year’s, sickness, and other personal circumstances. We discussed our framing of the version bump, the timeline for a decision, and the fact that constraints push us toward…

  • Posted This week in PSC (173) | 2024-12-20 to Perl Steering Council

    For the last meeting of the year we were all present again.

    • We have requested further input regarding our plan for TLS in core.

    • We picked the ball back up that we dropped regarding point releases. They should be coming soon.

    • We went over our finding…

  • Posted This week in PSC (172) | 2024-12-12 to Perl Steering Council

    All three of us attended.

    • We discussed the version 42 work on the psc/ppc0025 branch. We have an initial proof of concept that is almost good enough to test against CPAN in order to assess whether the plan is actually feasible and proceed from there. …
  • Posted This week in PSC (171) | 2024-12-05 to Perl Steering Council

    This week felt like a PSC reunion meeting. We extended invitations to join us for a discussion of the version change to a number of core contributors, and ended up joined by ex-PSC members Ricardo and Paul (Neil would have joined, but couldn’t make it).

    There is skepticism but no str…

  • Posted This week in PSC (170) | 2024-11-28 to Perl Steering Council

    All three of us attended.

    • We discussed the reactions to the Perl 42 proposal and how to reach consensus on it. We want to get a handle on the technical feasibility and also discuss more closely with the people who have doubts.
    • We reviewed Paul’s clarifications to PPC00…
  • Posted This week in PSC (169) | 2024-11-21 to Perl Steering Council

    Only Aristotle and Philippe this time.

    • We went through all the open PPC pull requests, with a goal of merging or closing as many of them as possible. The actual merging or closing will happen soon.
    • We merged PPC0025: “Perl 5 is Perl”.
    • We discussed s…
  • Posted This week in PSC (168) | 2024-11-15 to Perl Steering Council

    Another extended meeting, which everyone attended. Here’s a summary:

    • We want to get actual implementation of TLS in core underway. Paul volunteered for some of it. We’ll email our plan to p5p, to get things started.
    • We talked about undef-aware equality operators.…
  • Posted This week in PSC (167) | 2024-11-07 to Perl Steering Council

    The three of us attended another long meeting:

    • We continued refining our plan for TLS in core. We will collect feedback on its feasibility from the maintainers of the relevant modules.
    • We reviewed the status of putting the apostrophe package separator behind a feature and ap…
  • Posted This week in PSC (166) | 2024-10-31 to Perl Steering Council

    We were joined by Leon Timmermans and Tim Legge to discuss plans for TLS support in core.

    • We talked about our inadequate handling of point releases and especially security releases. In the past this was handled on individual initiative. We need to institutionalize at least some of th…
  • Posted This week in PSC (165) | 2024-10-25 to Perl Steering Council

    This week’s meeting was delayed by scheduling conflicts because we chose consistency and availability over partition tolerance. We spent the entire meeting working on the document we wanted to put together a month ago with our thoughts on the Perl version number, which we intend to publish…

  • Posted This week in PSC (164) | 2024-10-17 to Perl Steering Council

    This week, we talked about some recent (and less recent) p5p threads:

    • We discussed the sort thread briefly. We are waiting to see where it goes.
    • We talked again about TLS in core, and reviewed a document from the CPAN Security Group. We want to talk about this more in depth …
  • Posted This week in PSC (163) | 2024-10-10 to Perl Steering Council

    We had a guest this week: Olaf Alders.

    • We exchanged Perl (re)branding ideas with Olaf. We will be keeping in touch on that front.
    • We discussed the feedback on feature-guarding and unbundling apostrophe. We came up with a strategy to propose that we think should work, which w…
  • Posted This week in PSC (162) | 2024-10-03 to Perl Steering Council

    Everyone was present this week.

    • We devised a strategy to deal with smartmatch, starting with reverting its removal. A separate email with details will follow.
    • We spent too much time talking about putting the apostrophe package separator behind a feature. That too will be out…
  • Posted This week in PSC (161) | 2024-09-27 to Perl Steering Council

    We were all present this week:

    • We rehashed the Perl version number discussion from last meeting now that we are all present. We will put together a document with our thoughts on this.
    • We will create a GitHub issue to make apostrophe removal feature-guarded.
    • Smartmat…
  • Posted This week in PSC (160) | 2024-09-12 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Aristotle and Graham.

    The notes from this meeting were lost, but have been reconstructed from memory.

    • We had a discussion about what future versioning (Perl 7) should look like.
    • Discussed if we will need to make changes to apostrophe as package separator, and sm…
  • Posted This week in PSC (159) | 2024-09-05 to Perl Steering Council

    All present, and this time the meeting actually ended on time.

    • We discussed the situation with the apostrophe package separator removal. We continue to keep an eye on things but it now feels close to inevitable that we will use a feature to disable it conditionally.
    • We brief…
  • Posted This week in PSC (158) | 2024-08-29 to Perl Steering Council

    Back from holidays all three of us were in.

    • We discussed the recently reported closure memory leak in 5.40, which existed in older perls and was fixed in a way that caused other breakage instead, and we agreed that if it isn’t fixable we need to address it by at least providing…
  • Posted This week in PSC (157) | 2024-08-23 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Aristotle and Philippe this time (Graham chipped in on IRC):

    • we discussed the apostrophe situation: we will watch 5.41.3 break CPAN, and then evaluate the actual fallout. We like the idea of guarding this with a feature (which might need to be split in two, for the string interp…
  • Posted This week in PSC (156) | 2024-08-15 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Graham and Aristotle this time.

    • Discussed some patches to include in a perl 5.38 or 5.40 point release.
    • We will be watching the fallout from the removal of apostrophe as package separator.
    • Discussed what could be done for lexical method calls.

    […

  • Posted This week in PSC (155) | 2024-08-08 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Graham and Aristotle this time.

    • Discussed tracking perl authorized releasers updates and storing historical data
    • Dual-Life modules need some cleanup to get a more normal release process that can be done more regularly. Cleanup has been done on Storable.
    • Time::H…
  • Posted This week in PSC (154) | 2024-08-01 to Perl Steering Council

    This week, the whole PSC was in attendance.

    We merged HTTP-Tiny#6, and then discussed a number of topics:

    • some improvements on the process for releasing blead-upstream dual-life modules are needed
  • Posted This week in PSC (153) | 2024-07-25 to Perl Steering Council

    After over a month without a PSC meeting, this was the first meeting of

    • welcomed Aristotle, and said goodbye to Paul
    • discussed the current projects in flight, the PPC process and the onboarding tasks (preparing for next year already!)

  • Posted This week in PSC (152) | 2024-06-20 to Perl Steering Council

    Just Graham and Philippe this time.

    We talked about HTTPS in core, and some ideas about it, while the CPAN Security Group is preparing some proposals. Today was the deadline for releasing 5.41.1, but we don’t have volunteers yet, so Graham said he would do it sometime soon.

    W…

  • Posted This week in PSC (151) | 2024-06-13 to Perl Steering Council

    Graham and Philippe met briefly today.

    Now that Perl 5.40 is out, and the nomination process for the next PSC is underway, there wasn’t much to discuss, so we cut the meeting short.…

  • Posted This week in PSC (150) | 2024-06-06 to Perl Steering Council

    The three of us were there, and our discussion covered:

    • 5.40.0 has no more blocking bugs 🎉
    • It should be released by the end of the week
    • PPC0021 progress continues with Paul and Veesh discussing debugging and development
    • The maintainer of ="https:/…
  • Posted This week in PSC (149) | 2024-05-30 to Perl Steering Council

    This week it was just Paul and Philippe; we discussed the final changes for the upcoming RC2 and stable release, and marked some issues/PR as release blockers.

    Graham expects to release 5.40-RC2 before the week-end.

  • Posted This week in PSC (148) | 2024-05-16 to Perl Steering Council

    In anticipation for the stable release, we:

    • revived the “HTTPS out-of-the-box” project: the CPAN Security Group committed to help us select a workable solution, with a goal of implementing it in time for Perl 5.42
    • discussed the minutiae of the next stable release…
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