The three of us discussed:
- There is overall agreement that
@INC handling should be improved, but there are still outstanding questions and issues that overlap with build modules, installer tools, and so on. Plan is to publish a partial document so far as a draft PR and get others to comment further.
- The recent change to improve the accuracy of
caller reported line numbers in expressions involving anonymous subroutines (Pull #24396) has caused more BBC fallout than might have been expected. So far it doesn’t need any immediate response from PSC but we continue to keep an eye on it.
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All three of us (plus Graham’s cat) met as usual.
- Discussions about some case-matching syntax ideas continue on the mailing list. PSC is following along but for now there does not seem to be a need to come to an official response.
- From this it sounds like finding a better solution to controlling Perl’s autovivification (especially in deep hash accesses) is a useful goal and can be pursued independently. Potentially addressed by optional chaining (PPC0021).
- Adding a
builtin::rand_bytes function as per PR24722 sounds worthwhile. There are portability concerns that still need to be addressed on the subject of platform-dependent entropy sources (such as on VMS).
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All three of us met.
- Talked about the two “match case” proposals. The two seem to cover different intents, so it’s not clear that either just replaces the other. The destructuring concept is nice in principle but needs further discussion. We will let discussions continue on the mailing list for now.
- The PrePPC about
@INC dirs seems good enough to progress to a full PPC document for further discussion of details; in particular specifics about non-UNIX operating systems.
- We want to find a more coherent concept for “hooking core functionality” and possibly the
%{^HOOKS} hash in particular, before considering such possibilities as a replacable random number generator. E.g. do $SIG{__WARN__} and $SIG{__DIE__} belong in here?
- Specifically on providing a hook for generating random data, it feels like the
rand() (and srand()) function interface provided by Perl is itself a limitation for getting good behaviour. This might need looking into before simply replacing a better source of randomness.
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The first meeting of the newly-elected group.
We did some initial handover tasks (github groups, mailing lists)
We intend to do some point releases for 5.44 and 5.42 to include some security fixes and build issue bugfixes. We will take suggestions on what other fixes to be included.
We began discussing ideas on what it would look like to support the idea of local::lib and similar techniques better by perl core itself, handling perl version upgrades and so on.
We discussed improving the dual-life module release process to make it easier and prevent mistakes.
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All of us turned up. There wasn’t much other than administrivia to discuss. We will be initiating the process for the new PSC election in the coming days.
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