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john napiorkowski

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  • Commented on Newbie Poison
    Its not just with newbies, I find we often choose aggressive means of communicating with each other and generally fail to give each other useful feedback. I...
  • Commented on FFI::Platypus is interesting. It seems like real FFI module for Perl 5.
    Hi Yuki, Yes, one thing the Perl community needs to do better is to use social sharing tools. We talk a lot with each other on IRC but that doesn't get the same amount of notice as github stars for...
  • Commented on Perl 6 NativeCall: Look, Ma! I'm a C Programmer!
    thanks, useful post. --jnap...
  • Commented on Perl 6 Is Slower Than My Fat Momma!
    I see, maybe if you'd link to that it would help. Still, I'd consider taking the high road and just focus on what is going to make us awesome, but that's me personally. FWIW the regex stuff seems pretty fast,...
  • Commented on Perl 6 Is Slower Than My Fat Momma!
    I'm glad you seem really passionate about Perl6 but I'm not clear after reading this if I understand how some of these problems are being addressed. I think it would be better to have a little more humility here, instead...
  • Commented on The problem with CPAN: depending on poorly maintained modules
    Part of using CPAN is that you need to put some effort into understanding a module's popularity and any issues around it. For example The Squatting framework doesn't see a lot of love if you look at the revision history,...
  • Commented on On The Mojolicious Codebase
    From where I stand it appears that Mojolicious attracts a different type of person to Perl than perhaps us ‘old schoolers’. Historically Perl and CPAN has followed the Unix philosophy of ‘do one thing and do it as good as...
  • Commented on Perl 6: The Next Node.js, Done Right
    I think the issue with NPM here has shown a defect in the corporate patronage model of open source, rather than any defect in Javascript as a language. Perl (and Perl6) has done the hard work of building a community...
  • Commented on Perl6 module namespace
    It would be nice if it was better organized but that's probably not going to be easy in such a decentralized project. In any case its no worse than npm or github. It makes discovery harder, yeah that's a problem,...
  • Commented on How to Make a Perl 6 Module (Bit Rot Thursday)
    Thanks, this is really useful and I look forward to seeing the Perl6 Metacpan active....
  • Commented on Perl 6 is written in... Perl 6
    One of the features that P6 has that I wish we had in P5....
  • Commented on Python is The New "Write-Only, Linenoise" Language
    Having had to endure 20 years of being hassled for choosing Perl5, I wish we can take the high road here and not perpetuate it. I don't like Python but a ton of people do, so I am cool with...
  • Commented on Further Perl 6 Adventures
    thank you Liz!...
  • Commented on Further Perl 6 Adventures
    Have you figured out how (or if we can) inspect the signatures prior to calling a method? like a ->meta->method('xx')->signature or something...
  • Commented on The Perl 6 User Experience
    great idea!...
  • Commented on On the Semantic Naming of Things
    Well, I find myself pretty much agreeing with everyone here I guess :) My feeling is that like 10 years ago give or take, once we realized Perl6 was not replacing Perl5 (in the way that Perl5 ‘replaced’ Perl4) and...
  • Commented on Why in The World Would Anyone Use Perl 6?
    raiph, Looks like I forget to hit send or something, I had a longer response but the short version is I don't know enough to give a rational but report, but I think it has something to do with Catalyst...
  • Commented on Why in The World Would Anyone Use Perl 6?
    Raiph, I only yesterday figured out how to run tests on Perl6 so once I have some rational bugs to report I will give them. I just hate to go on IRC and say "It doesn't work." However now I...
  • Commented on Why in The World Would Anyone Use Perl 6?
    Zoffix, As a working Perl5 programmer I often feel that Perl6 is the worst possible idea we could have had. But I have pledged myself to try to put aside frustration and anger in dealing with Perl6, at least for...
  • Commented on Christmas Came, Bah Humbug
    I know a lot of people have put a ton of time into Perl6, so its hard to hear it when people say, "so what?" I have to be honest and say that I've felt increasingly unhappy with how all...
  • Commented on Response to The Perl Jam 2
    If someone has a security vulnerability in Catalyst I am sure if it was properly reported it would be fixed. -jnap...
  • Commented on #riba2016 ends - now what?
    Ribasushi, Best of luck with how-ever this works for you, and glad a solid paying contract was in the mix there as well. Ultimately most of us doing community work are doing so out of a mix of the feeling...
  • Commented on Suspending efforts on my #riba2016 crowdfunding campaign, looking forward to my own Xmas
    I would add some general thoughts on fundraising, if we are talking about that, and maybe to some degree trying to write a lessons learned here that would be of value to anyone else that tried in the future. I...
  • Commented on Suspending efforts on my #riba2016 crowdfunding campaign, looking forward to my own Xmas
    Hi Ribasushi, I am sure things will find a new path that works, you're super smart! Since this is a public channel I wanted to reply regarding #catalyst, I don't think I was pushed out, but just pushed in a...
  • Commented on Suspending efforts on my #riba2016 crowdfunding campaign, looking forward to my own Xmas
    Ribasushi, Sorry this didn't work out for you. So much of the failures of the last few years has really lead to me wonder if the age of community driven free/open software is over... I understand you're need to step...
  • Commented on Fixed 5.22 problems during my compiler port
    I think Perl::Build has support: https://metacpan.org/changes/distribution/Perl-Build#L5 but haven't test it yet. I wish somehow we could have a Perl development process that reflected what the vast majority of Perl programmers needed from a language, but I guess that never happening...
  • Commented on Vagrant Perl Development Environment v1.1.0 released
    Hey, just noticed this and wanted to say thanks for providing it. It was just what I needed for a tight deliverable, (jnap)...
  • Commented on Nominate Perl heroes for the 2015 White Camel Awards
    Two people come to mind that are not on the list yet AFAIK Karen "Ether" Etheridge. She's been willing to take on a ton of important CPAN modules that need maintaining but nobody else was willing to step up. Check...
  • Commented on 6.concerns
    Simply declaring the language calling itself Perl6 'production ready' isn't going to be enough to get people using it. I share the concern that this big announce is going to flop and yet again negatively impact those of us trying...
  • Commented on A Date with CPAN, Part 2: Target First, Aim Afterwards
    "My preliminary poking around indicates I should be able to handle dates from 1-Jan-1000 to 31-Dec-2899, which is a pretty big range. But there’s still a lot of time outside that range." LOL, dude that's pretty much ALL of time...
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  • Tom M commented on Newbie Poison

    (tl;dr I think I'm just repeating here what genehack already said, and I'd defer to his experience anyway)

    A few years ago I might would have agreed with you. I unconsciously imagined newbies as thick skinned, confident, male, Caucasian, autodidacts like myself.

    uh, this seems like a topic drift to me? Whether or not someone conforms to a brogrammer stereotype, surely basic principles of "don't be unpleasant, and if you see unpleasant behaviour, call it out" apply?

    Like yourself, I probably would have evaluated communications in terms of …
  • Jonathan W. Taylor commented on Newbie Poison

    Thank you for your fair and detailed response, Tom. I'll do my best to answer.

    Is silence better than an undiplomatic response?
    Silence is better than any response that isn't nice, honest, and helpful.

    If so, isn't that effectively going to kill off that mailing list?
    Only if people can't be nice, honest, and helpful. If they can't, then good riddance.

    "...topic drift..."?:
    One of my central concerns is the assumption that "not unpleasant" means the same thing to insiders as to other people, especially to newbies.

    '... surely basic princip…

  • Tom M commented on Newbie Poison
    Silence is better than any response that isn't nice, honest, and helpful.

    That's fair enough, hopefully we can agree to disagree on this point.

    I saw some unpleasant behavior, called it out, and look where it landed me. Many won't even concede that the behavior I called out was unpleasant in the first place.

    Called it out - good. In an unrelated forum - bad. Has there been any contact with the authors of those two posts or the people asking the original questions?

    (yes, I…

  • Jonathan W. Taylor commented on Newbie Poison

    "...hopefully we can agree to disagree on this point."
    Of course!

    "Has there been any contact with the authors of those two posts..."

    Absolutely not. I've seen how they treat people.

    "Sadly it seems neither of us have the enthusiasm for this task"

    You're misunderstanding. I'm not asking if you're willing to do it *instead* of me, I'm asking if you're willing to do it *with* me. I suppose I have my answer now, though.

    Thank you again for your ideas and thoughtful consideration. :-)

  • mauke commented on Newbie Poison

    This whole post looks unpleasant.

    > Many won't even concede that the behavior I called out was unpleasant in the first place.

    This sounds like "Many people disagree with me, how dare they" to me. (I'm one of them.)

    - "Condescending, abusive advice"
    - "So come on in newbies. You're stupid. You fill us with contempt. Get ready to complain. And most of all, don't waste our precious time."
    - "antique, pompous, and arrogant elitists who can't even treat each other with kindness and respect"

    Isn't all of this condescending, abusive advice itself?

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