2010 Vienna QA Workshop, Day 1 results video
This is the video from the morning stand-up on everyone's progress for the first day of the 2010 Vienna Perl QA Workshop.
This is the video from the morning stand-up on everyone's progress for the first day of the 2010 Vienna Perl QA Workshop.
Hate the Perl debugger? Want it to do more? I do. For example, I hate it when I see this:
DB<1> x $before
0 HASH(0x100e37fd8)
'foo' => ARRAY(0x100c5f1d8)
0 1
1 2
2 4
'guess' => CODE(0x100dc0d78)
-> &main::__ANON__[run.pl:13] in run.pl:10-13
'this' => 'that'
'uno' => HASH(0x100db9000)
'this' => 'that'
'what?' => HASH(0x10088dfc0)
'this' => 'them'
Backtracking is probably the defining feature of Prolog. Abstractly, the execution of a Prolog program can be seen as traversing a tree, looking for a path that fits certain criteria. Each node represents a choice between several options, and are usually referred to as choice points (for reasons that should be obvious). If at any time the path taken is found to be inconsistent with the constraints, execution goes back to the previous choice point and tries the next option. The search is depth-first, left-to-right.
Now, as I've mentioned before, in Parrotlog this is implemented using continuations, based on example code from Graham's On Lisp book (chapter 22). Simply put, continuations allow you to restore the execution of your program to a previous state. For the C programmers, this is simillar to setjmp(3) and longjmp(3), but returning from the originating function doesn't invalidate the saved state. On Lisp chapter 20 has more about continuations, and so do the Parrot docs.
Most aspects of the first round between Dancer and Mojo are covered in Alexis' post - a recommended read. However - with your approval, or not - I'd like to add another side of it, our overall developer understanding of the contest.
While it seems fun to "win" something, what we the developers (and I'm assuming it's pretty much the same for the Mojo people) liked most about the competition was that we'd get a complete understanding of the end-user learning experience.
Here are a few things we understood (and most corrected by now):This is actually, in my opinion, an interesting phenomenon in languages: you risk hitting some kind of local maximum when your language is popular enough to have a lot of users who will be angry if things are changed or accidentally broken in the course of big upheavals. So you have to slow down, go carefully, and not rock the boat too much. On the other hand, there is an opportunity cost in that newer languages with less to lose can race ahead of you, adding all kinds of cool and handy new things, or simply fix and remove “broken” features.
Oh brother.
And this bit as well:
The syntax, for your average programmer who doesn’t want to go too far out of their comfort zone, is perhaps a little bit further afield from the C family of languages than they would prefer. Still though, a “human” problem, rather than a technical one. Perhaps, sadly, the message is that you’d better not “scare” people when introducing a new language, by showing people something that [looks] at least a little bit familiar.
Arrived in Vienna last night and walked across the city center to get to the hotel. It's my second time in Vienna and I love how beautiful it is.
I'm about to leave for Vienna for the 2010 Perl QA Workshop, so now it's time to start thinking about my secret project. I've saved it especially for something to do on the plane.
A couple months ago, David Golden and I got together to talk about what a new CPAN.pm client would look like. Now, remember that both of us have our noses deep in the CPAN.pm source, and both of us have thought, on several occasions, that we should refactor CPAN.pm. Gabor, who is also going to be in Vienna, even went so far as to separate each package into its own file back in October 2008.
Here are the slides I've use while delivering my Fishing for Perl: The Perl New User Experience talk. These are not really slides, in any sense, the Powerpoint one or else, but actually a .pdf file that I generated out of this LaTeX source.
My main work method in creating this talk was two-fold. One, I jotted down ideas I had on the most immediate means, paper or electric (I found Google Wave to be an excellent tool for this, the only actual use I found for it). Two, I edited those ideas to a LaTeX document until they actually formed what seemed (at the time) a sensible narration. I also tend to follow the idea that if you can understand the talk by just reading the slides then the talk has no value. This actually means you may not understand much of what I'm talking about by just reading the slides.
That's OK, because I intend to use that as a base for several posts here.
In the I went with the simple solution to the problem of unification. Variables point to other variables, and in the end a variable either points to a term, or nothing. What happens when you unify X with Y, Y with Z, and Z with X should probably not be considered just yet, and will probably have to be fixed at some point. But that should be reasonably simple. Finding cycles in a graph is after all a well-known problem.
This means that the core infrastructure I need should now be in place: unification, backtracking and cuts (a post on those last two is coming up). Now it's time to start looking into writing the grammar, and figuring out how to represent rules and the fact database.
I know why "date" and "time" are in there, but I suspect it's not common for most folks.
~ $ history | awk {'print $2'} | sort | uniq -c | sort -k1 -rn | head
255 git
174 fg
108 vim
79 prove
58 ack
56 cd
51 ls
42 time
41 rm
31 date
When writing Perl, people often create hybrid interfaces that accept either a reference to an array or hash, a string, or a reference to a string. The Perl code to do appropriate conversion behind the scenes is usually trivial. Some even use this to overload their interface to do something entirely unrelated depending on the type passed in. However much one might loathe such interfaces, when replacing Perl code with XS, one usually has to reproduce the properties of the original. That is what this entry is about.
A rather reasonable example of such a hybrid interface is PPI::Document whose constructor accepts either a string (interpreted as a file name) or a reference to a scalar (interpreted as a reference to a scalar containing the code as a string).
While (different) named arguments would have been clearer for a casual reader of the resulting code, this case of an overloaded interface is a generally reasonable optimization.
Last week, Marcel Grünauer (hanekomu) tweeted about his PAUSE deletions possibly triggered by one of the recent discussions about the CPAN ecosystem (and mirroring deficiencies). PAUSE sends deleted files to the BackPAN which has everything released to CPAN. However, selecting the files to delete is not much fun since PAUSE UI is sadly not dynamic and if you have lots of distributions you'll have even more released files on PAUSE.
I've finally hit the first real roadblock in the development: unification. Instantiating a free variable and unifying that with a term is simple enough (and works). The problem is when you start unifying free variables with each other. For example you have three free variables: X, Y, Z. You unify X with Y, and then Y with Z. Finally, unify Z with a term "foo". The value of X (and Y and Z, for that matter) should now be "foo". What stumps me is how to implement this in a sane way. I've looked at the AI::Logic and "Perl and Prolog and [...]" versions, but I haven't managed to duplicate them in NQP in way that works...
I constantly see requests from companies to allow non-programmers to write automated tests. I also see products that allow this on various levels of sophistication. Every such tool also requires some programming in a high level language. Sometimes that is VB Script or .NET or Java. It is rarely Perl.
By the time the customer understand that they need a lot of extra programming they have already invested a lot of money and time so they won't switch to another solution even if that saved them a lot of money and time.
So I though I might try to reinvent this wheel. The idea would be to create a GUI where a user can select "tools" (e.g. "web browser", "telnet client", "database client") and add these tools to the test script by clicking on a button. Once a "browser" was added the user can do various things with that browser: fetch a url, check if
content has certain string in it, click on a link defined by the text on the link etc.
Perl Iron Man has been getting hammered by spam the last couple of days. Any sign of of a let-up?
I've just launched a 'white papers' section on Perl.org:
http://www.perl.org/about/whitepapers/
I've set the following as a rough brief for these documents:
Target audience(s):If you have corrections or are interested in writing one of the outstanding topics do let me know.
I recently asked Adam Kennedy why he went back to blogging on use.perl.org. He replied:
I stopped posting to blogs.perl.org until I can migrate everything from use.perl over to it.
Anyone want to work on a migration script? I'd do it myself were it not for the Veure project I'm on. You just have to look at the gists in this post or the image on this post to see why the communication is so much richer here. Of course, there are plenty of other reasons, but clearly blogs.perl.org is a great, modern platform for the Perl community and I'd love to see more people promoting it.
The inspiration for this project is primarily due to my reading On Lisp by Paul Graham, which talks about implementing non-deterministic search (or backtracking, if you will) with continuations (chapter 2022). Since I know Parrot supports continuations natively, it was an obvious choice. Some googling also revealed a very interesting PerlMonks post, entitled Perl and Prolog and Continuations... oh my!, which it turns out is the inspiration for Ovid's AI::Logic as well (which I discovered a few days ago).
Now, on to the implementation. Most of the documents I've found tell you to start your Parrot HLL project with a script called mk_language_shell.pl, but I found that it doesn't do quite what it say on the tin. Instead I used tools/dev/create_language.pl. This script creates a basic folder hierarchy similar to the one used by Rakudo. A quick tour of the files and folders:
build/ contains everything that has to do with the build process. Most interesting is PARROT_REVISION which specifies which Parrot is required, and Makefile.in which is where the build process can be extended.Configure.pl does what it's called. Call it with --gen-parrot to build the required Parrot version as well.t/ and src/ contain the usual bitsEDIT: I lied. Backtracking is chapter 22 of Graham's book. Chapter 20 is continuations.
So it turns out I'm not really good at this blogging thing. It's not that I feel I have nothing worth writing about, but that my time is usually better spent on other things. Instead of pretending to myself that I will eventually write long rants (and then effectively writing nothing), I'll try to post occasional bits of code that I found useful and not particularly obvious. I've been writing a lot of XS lately and the somewhat incomplete or at least inaccessible XS / perl API documentation could do with a little more cookbook style. Furthermore, when writing C/XS code that uses the perl API, I find myself trying to do the same things that are trivial in Perl and taking much, much longer to actually succeed. Thus, I'll start out with a bit of perl API.
Today's Not-So-Frequently-Encountered-XS-Problem:
Which class is this object blessed into?
Jesse Vincent uploaded the perl-5.12.0-RC3 release to the CPAN. It's important that that this release is tested to flag any potential release blockers. If none are found it'll be released as 5.12 on April 9.
Here's how you can do that:
All tests should have been successful. To install it (without touching your existing perl!) do:
Now you have an installed perl-5.12.0-RC3 in ~/perl5-rc3/installed/bin/perl. Now just configure CPAN to install modules without nagging:
And then maybe try installing your favorite CPAN modules, or bundles that suck down a lot of them (using sudo here because my ~/.cpan is owned by root):
Of course the most useful think you can do is test it on your own in-house code. All the code on the CPAN has probably been tested with 5.12 already.
If you encounter any issues first check if they're listed in the errata or mentioned in the perldelta for 5.12.
if you think you've found a new bug please report it with the perlbug tool installed with perl-5.12.0-RC3.
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